{"id":24366,"date":"2025-07-06T10:47:09","date_gmt":"2025-07-06T09:47:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/?p=24366"},"modified":"2025-07-06T14:33:52","modified_gmt":"2025-07-06T13:33:52","slug":"finally-ba-and-china-southern-opens-reciprocal-redemption","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/2025\/07\/06\/finally-ba-and-china-southern-opens-reciprocal-redemption\/","title":{"rendered":"Finally: BA and China Southern opens reciprocal redemption"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">British Airways and China Southern actually signed a bilateral partnership agreement <em>quite <\/em>some time ago, and back then, many people saw it as a sign that China Southern might eventually join Oneworld.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Unfortunately, due to the pandemic and other delays, not much came of it. The only notable update came in 2023, when the two airlines finally launched reciprocal mileage accrual &#8211; but based on tons of user reports, even that often fails to post correctly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now, here comes the real good news: award redemptions are finally live! I haven\u2019t seen any official announcement yet, so this might well be the first post about it on the Internet. Huge thanks to our reader \u00a9 for the tip-off yesterday.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Let\u2019s start with redeeming Avios for China Southern flights. Thankfully, the BA website is usually functional so you can just search directly.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-avios-bjs-sha.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"482\" src=\"http:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-avios-bjs-sha.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24361\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-avios-bjs-sha.png 800w, https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-avios-bjs-sha-300x181.png 300w, https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-avios-bjs-sha-768x463.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As for the redemption chart, it looks like they\u2019re using the same one as Cathay Pacific:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table class=\"has-fixed-layout\"><thead><tr><th>Flight Distance (miles)<\/th><th>Economy<\/th><th>Business<\/th><\/tr><\/thead><tbody><tr><td>1\u2013650<\/td><td>9,750<\/td><td>20,800<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>651\u20131150<\/td><td>12,000<\/td><td>30,000<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>1151\u20132000<\/td><td>14,300<\/td><td>32,500<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>2001\u20133000<\/td><td>15,600<\/td><td>46,500<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>3001\u20134000<\/td><td>20,750<\/td><td>62,000<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>4001\u20135500<\/td><td>25,750<\/td><td>77,250<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>5501\u20136500<\/td><td>31,000<\/td><td>92,750<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>6501\u20137000<\/td><td>36,250<\/td><td>108,250<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>7000+<\/td><td>51,500<\/td><td>154,500<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But honestly, you can probably ignore the business class column for now, as nobody\u2019s seen a single China Southern business class award ticket show up yet. Taxes and surcharges seem to be on par with what China Southern charges in their own program.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The overall value isn&#8217;t great, with BA having undergone major devaluation in its Asia redemption over the last years and all sweet spots have pretty much disappeared.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">China&#8217;s domestic flights are usually cheap-ish so BA is adding very little here unlike <a href=\"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/2024\/10\/13\/china-eastern-award-tickets-finally-bookable-with-virgin-points\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"\">what Virgin offers<\/a>. If you need to travel between say China and Japan, which have very popular routes, the cost still seems semi-decent.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-avios-can-tyo.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"475\" src=\"http:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-avios-can-tyo.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24364\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-avios-can-tyo.png 800w, https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-avios-can-tyo-300x178.png 300w, https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-avios-can-tyo-768x456.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If business class seats ever open up, 77,250 Avios or 92,750 Avios for a one-way between Europe and China isn&#8217;t bad either.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now, flipping the perspective, redeeming China Southern miles for British Airways flights may actually be the more exciting option. You can find their <a href=\"https:\/\/www.csair.com\/mcms\/mcmsNewSite\/mows\/cn\/#\/skypearl\/redemption\/ticket\/ticket_skyteam\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" title=\"\">partner redemption chart here<\/a> (in Chinese), which is zone-based.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In terms of business class, here&#8217;s what it costs for a one-way:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Europe &#8211; Middle East: 55,000 points<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Europe &#8211; North America: 80,000 points<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Europe &#8211; Asia: 100,000 points<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Europe &#8211; Australia: 150,000 points<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Note that I&#8217;m using &#8220;points&#8221; here, because their program (as with any other Chinese FFP) is measured in kilometre, not mile.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-miles-dxb-lhr.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"400\" height=\"417\" src=\"http:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-miles-dxb-lhr.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24365\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-miles-dxb-lhr.jpg 400w, https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-miles-dxb-lhr-288x300.jpg 288w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It is, without a doubt, a lot cheaper than BA&#8217;s own program. Note that you need a CZ account to search and then enough points in your account to see the taxes and fees.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In terms of taxes and fees: check the cash ticket and sum up every component which isn&#8217;t <em>Fare<\/em>. Here&#8217;s an example for Dubai &#8211; London, so you&#8217;ll need to pay 1500 AED (~\u00a3299) in addition to the CZ points.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-miles-dxb-lhr-fee.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"435\" src=\"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-miles-dxb-lhr-fee.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24375\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-miles-dxb-lhr-fee.png 800w, https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-miles-dxb-lhr-fee-300x163.png 300w, https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/07\/ba-cz-redemption-miles-dxb-lhr-fee-768x418.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">BA&#8217;s carrier-imposed charge tends to be high, but the combine cost may still be sensible redeeming through China Southern, except for US routes where the charge is outrageous.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.verylvke.com\/en\/2025\/06\/04\/cheap-flying-blue-miles-and-shangri-la-points-half-price-hotel-deal\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"\">Ping An<\/a> runs frequent bonus offers for conversion to China Southern points, and sometimes it&#8217;s as cheap as 0.65p per point. I always say Ping An is a tough go for non-Chinese, but it seems many readers here have managed to make it work.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>British Airways and China Southern actually signed a bilateral partnership agreement quite some time ago, and back then, many people saw it as a sign that&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[17,174],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-24366","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-british-airways","category-china-southern"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"max-image-preview:large\" \/>\n\t<meta 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